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The Edge of Orkut
Published on 01/06/05 at 02:39:04 GMT by Norbert
 
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The Edge of Orkut
      On December 19, 2004 Joi Ito reached Orkut's limit for number of friends (1024) and asks: "What do I do with my Orkut network now that I'm ''done''?"
      From the replies to this post I like those:
-   1- Sell it on eBay ! (François Granger)
      (later replies include offers in $$)
-   23- [...] Tell Orkut to up the limit. 1000 friends is so 1998. I mean, how do you throw a party with just a thousand friends? [...] (Phil Wolff)
-   And on January 4, 2005 07:39 PM Darwin, in reply number 31, pointed out the reason why there are social networking sites.



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 I like this one.
 Written on 01/07/05 at 16:50:46 GMT by Jos
By Julian Bond

" 1024 is deeply suspect. This is what happens when you let Geeks build social software. 2^10 friends indeed. Joi must have at least 2^16 people who can answer the multiple question "Are You My Friend? Yes:No" with 1 instead of 0. "

 multiple question ?
 Written on 01/09/05 at 02:06:13 GMT by mbu
I wondered what Julian Bond means with "multiple question". To me it looked more like a closed question. But no:

http://infogettable.net/glossary/term?item_id=4152&glossary_item_id=3514
Infogettable.net > Glossary > Multiple Question
When someone demands a simple (or simplistic) answer to a complex question. Example: "Was Russian or American imperialism the cause of the Cold War? Yes or no?"

Whereas Ken Ward states "[...] a closed question is one that can be answered by one word or phrase or a platitude."
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/Vignettes/OpenAndClosed.htm

Or did Julian Bond mean a "multiple choice question" ?

 multiple question vs multiple choice question
 Written on 01/09/05 at 04:40:31 GMT by Norbert
Trizia wrote: "Or did Julian Bond mean a 'multiple choice question' ?"

No, I don't think so. A 'multiple choice question' would probably rather look like this:
   Are You My Friend? (select one)
      o    Yes
      o    No
      o    Maybe later
      o    Who are you ?
      o    What is a friend ?
      o    Next question please
      o    Doesn't apply
      o    Other

Instead, if asked "Are You My Friend? Yes:No", the answer "0" is a very sensible one: you signal that you regard it as too complex a question to be answered with such a simplistic answer. You actually un-question the question. I can't think up what you could mean by answering with "1", however.

You may want to ask Julian Bond: http://www.voidstar.com/ julian_bond at voidstar dot com but he posted
   http://www.voidstar.com/module.php?mod=blog&uid=&date=1105055999
         06 Jan 2005
         Shut up!
         Oi!
         You lot out there on the web.
         Stop writing so much!
         I can't keep up."

 Julian Bond:
 Written on 01/10/05 at 07:29:29 GMT by Norbert
I asked Julian Bond, here is his an excerpt from his reply:

[...]
   >   in a thread about Joi Ito's "The Edge of Orkut" your reply " ... Joi
   >must have at least 2^16 people who can answer the multiple question
   >'Are You My Friend? Yes:No' with 1 instead of 0" was questioned whether
   >with "multiple question" you really meant "someone demands a simplistic
   >answer to a complex question."
   [...]
Oh, good grief. It was a bit of bad grammar, OK? Still it gave somebody a laugh.

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 multiple response question
 Written on 01/10/05 at 16:59:46 GMT by ppp
I want to answer
  Are You My Friend?  
     x    No
     x    Maybe later
     x    Who are you ?
It's a typical multiple response question.

Orkut has: haven't met, acquaintance, friend, good friend, best friend  
(and no multiple responses).

And what about enemies ?
Same with gender.

Yes, I agree with Julian Bond " This is what happens when you let Geeks build social software. "

Only, what's wrong with grammar, looks OK ?

 orkut multiple response
 Written on 01/11/05 at 11:26:29 GMT by yuliah
Pascal wrote "Orkut has: haven't met, acquaintance, friend, good friend, best friend (and no multiple responses). "

Wait, this is ONLY to select from your address book, and "The changes you make on your address book will only be visible to you."

"And what about enemies?"
Good one, yes.

"Same with gender."
You means that's a typical multiple response question?

 EFF on Orkut
 Written on 01/12/05 at 11:07:27 GMT by mbu
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=1451
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